长篇影评
1 ) 生命可贵与惩罚是两回事
本来不想多谈,因为短评写不下才“漏”出来这篇影评。
Herzog是有态度的,一开始就表面了对死刑的态度,“是因为我尊重你,并且你是一个人,我觉得人不应该被处死。”和David Gale(电影 The Life of David Gale里的人物)是一致(只是他更极端)。
不过还好Herzog只提对死刑的反对,没提原谅,服刑也是惩罚。
如果我没看过Lars von Trier的<Dogville> 李沧东的<密阳>,可能我也是这样的,认为死刑太残忍,文明世界不该允许。但不得不说他们影响我太深——你有什么资格原谅犯罪的人呢?你拿上帝的基准来宽恕所有人何尝不是一种高傲?
若被杀死的是与你不想关的人原谅自然容易,若是你爱人被人极其残忍的杀害呢?(不难理解为什么被害者亲人说“有些人就是不配活在世上”)退一步,你说原谅,你又如何原谅比你站得更高的人。
在<密阳>里全度妍的小孩被杀,她选择信用宗教,原谅杀死她小孩的人。当犯人说他已经被上帝原谅,上帝听到他的祈求,所以全度妍来看监狱他了,全度妍的信仰马上崩溃。
诚然,如同电影表达的,一草一木栖神明,任何形态的生命都是可贵的,但这和惩罚是两回事。
只是事件的真相(就像电影里讨论的案子),以及正义(其实就是avenge)到底可以多公平,如何衡量?
2 ) Those questions we ask because we are human
Sometimes it's easy to be certain of your opinion and its validity when you only hear one side of the story. This documentary sets out to shatter your sense of certainty by presenting to you as many aspects of the same story as possible.
It's clear that the director himself is against death penalty. It would have been easy for him to cut out the part where the women who lost her mother and brother said that the death of Micheal gave her relief. Without that statement, this film would be much stronger to speak against death penalty. However, Werner Herzog did not. I presume because her version of the story mattered to Herzog.
Most people agree that we as people, with the constrains of our cognitive capacity, is not capable of and cannot afford to be utilitarian. However, it is human nature for us to try. Our attempts to consider every possibility and be as thorough as humanly possible for issues such as death penalty and abortion make us human. In that sense, this documentary does not speak either for or against death penalty, it speaks for for humanity.
[side note] Both inmates argued that they were innocent in court. There were a bit more evidence to convict Micheal, but not that much after all. But the fates of the Micheal and Jason were completely different. One was killed. The other lives, has a wife and a baby on the way. What was the difference? Their attitude in court? Jason's father's testimony? Their appearances? Were those the right parameter to determine a man's innocence? To take a man's life? What if we were wrong?
You may say that a few mishaps happen in the court of law and it's just the casualty of justice, but in my opinion, even one life lost is one too many. We as human beings do not have the capacity to judge whether or not we should take another person's life. It is not within our right or power to judge.
3 ) 一声叹息
其实我对该不该执行死刑这个问题不算太有兴趣,倒是片子里面有几个点让我觉得耐人寻味。
一处是后来被执行死刑的杀人犯micheal说他十来岁的时候被安排去湿地玩,他不喜欢户外活动,很怕被鳄鱼攻击。虽然玩的过程中他担心的事情并没有发生,但还是有一些小事让他非常不安,非常想离开。这让我觉得他可能是一个极度缺乏安全感,极度敏感且容易被干扰的人,这可能跟后来他因为诸如开不了门之类的小事就杀人的行为也有些许的关系吧。
另一个是家族犯罪史。片子里面至少有两个人,一个犯人一个受害者的哥哥,在谈到家庭的时候都提到爸爸和自己坐过牢。特别是Jason,他老爸被判了40年,他也被判了40年,他还有个兄弟也坐过牢。他爸爸说到两个儿子也都进了“围城”的时候一直在后悔,可是那也只能是I wish了啊。
还有一处是Jason在监狱里跟为他整理paperwork素未谋面的姑娘“相爱”结婚了。愚昧如我并不能理解这种遥遥守望的爱情。姑娘说第一次看了两天两夜的车去见Jason,从监狱出来的时候看见一条完整的彩虹,一边是她一边是墙内的Jason。也算是浪漫了吧,可放在这样的情境里,却让我觉得有些五味杂陈。她坚信Jason是无辜的,并且和他人工授精孕育了一个宝宝。便也只能祝福她的相信和她的宝宝都能茁壮成长。
4 ) 并没有答案的思考
恍惚间,在这个软件上就过去了400多天。细想起来真是一件恐怖的事情。
又来到了西安,学校宿舍还没有完全布置好,在淘宝上买了一堆东西,等都弄好了也许就不那么抗拒住宿舍了吧。又是一个新的开始。
又看了一部记录片《凝视深渊》,看了一集,讲的是两个少年,为了一辆科迈罗,杀死了三个人。讲了事情的整个发生过程,与受害人家属,罪犯,以及罪犯的家属朋友有一些对话。其中一个被判处死刑,另一个终身监禁。也采访了行刑人员,了解了行刑过程。
这样的纪录片,我想看到的是这些人为什么会犯下这样的恶行,处罚怎么才是的得当。那个被判处终身监禁的男孩,他的家庭条件很糟糕,父亲,哥哥都在服刑。中国这样的家庭多不多呢?也许是家庭教育的缺失对他有很大的影响吧。我一直想到,就像一个泥潭,总是走不出来的感觉,一代人接一代人。毒品真的是很大的原因。中国对毒品和枪支的管制从降低社会犯罪率这个层面来说是起了很大作用。
那些犯下恶行的人,是人性本恶呢?还是一时冲动,他们有没有后悔?有没有一直在想着那些死去的人?想着那些人的家属?会不会觉得对不起那些人,会为那些亡灵祈祷?
片中,被害人的家属说如果被判死刑的男孩被判的是终身监禁,她也是可以接受的。被判终身监禁的男孩的爸爸说,任何人都没有权力去剥夺另一个人的生命。所以,死刑,究竟该被怎样看待。死刑并不能改变已发生的事实。不能让死者起死回生。那死刑的意义何在?是为了平群众心头的怒?是为了给其他人一个警示作用?死刑有没有必要?在被害人都不要求的前提下。以牙还牙,血债血偿吗?如果我是被害人的家属,我能不能接受这个人不被判处
5 ) im not against death penalty that much after watching Into the Abyss.
1、i see someone who couldn't read. i can't imagine a young man couldn't read living in modern society. and it's in the USA.
the relevant people involved who are acquaintances with Jason or Michael(the two prisoners) were also leading miserable life as well as them two, which surprises me a lot, especially their horrible childhood. perhaps i should not use the word "miserable" to describe them since i'm not supposed to judge them.
i see this point that same people get together. people from that circle- Jason or Michael's circle- are usually this type- have a lot of tattoos, had been in the prison for a while, and be in the risk of getting a shot.
well, i'm judging them again. is it understandable that the judgement above is the most natural reaction a young people who is growing up in a traditional and safe circumstances could ever make?
2、Michael is just a young man like me, like any of my friends. he is tall, active, and seems normal. is every murderer abnormal? i don't know. perhaps he is not the killer. the justice goes wrong sometimes, but not often. so, technically, Michael is more likely to be the right person to be sentenced to death. whatever, i don't know the truth.
let's suppose he's guilty. that's what scares me the most. someday, one of my acquaintances might turn out to be a criminal, a murderer, while he or she acts normal, just as the impression Michael Perry has left on me in the film. they play their part so goddamn well that i'm totally not able to discern before bad things happen.
thus, the conclusion is, don't trust anyone coz the world is good at hiding it's cruel face. well, er, the contradiction is that your putting away your trust can't guarantee your security either. the most security way is to shut yourself in the door at home. going nowhere, have no contact with no body. now you are almost 100 percent safe from being hurt by others. actually this is the thoughts of one victim's elder sister.
apparently, it doesn't work .
the fact is that we have to continue our life and continue to make acquaintance with new people. i guess your fate will tell you if you are the unlucky one who is going to be shot to death by one of your acquaintances. lol
i used to against death penalty. because i think we don't have the right to take away anyone else's life, nor does the law, no matter how evil he is.
now i can't find my standpoint, no longer.
someone, killed three people for two stupid vehicles. i'd like to take his life away in order to guarantee my own security though what i'm doing is atrocity.
"When I talk to you, it does not necessarily mean that I have to like you, But I respect you, and you' re a human being, and I think human beings should not be executed. Simple as that." ---a quote from this film.
in contrary, this film is leading me back to the way of supporting the death penalty. i'm not making a statement that im a supporter of death penalty now, honestly i don't know which side i'm at now. i'm just driven a little bit closer to the side of supporting death penalty by this film.
but why? i believe this is not the initial purpose of Herzog.
on the assumption that Michael Perry and Jason Burkett are murderers, and in combination of the communication between the film maker and the murderers, i regard them as very dangerous people. they did the crime and sat in front of the camera to talk as if they're innocent, which frightened me. i even feel that their existence will imperil my life in some way.
thanks to Herzog, his film makes me consider about death panelty even more.
6 ) 纪录片!!
如果这部不是纪录片,而是经过编造的,我觉得那样就完全不能让我们感受到那种震撼。
我们不知道自己即将死亡的日期,可他们却知道,然而这些人只是在一个错误的时间,错误的地点做了错误的事,亲手将自己推入死亡深渊。
影片在一个牧师的采访中开始了,看着他的虔诚对生命的热爱,可是上帝却残酷的让他去送死囚的最后一程,一次次看着生命的逝去,他一直在深思,生命的意义。生命是只有一次,对于任何人都是公平的,谁都没有多活一次的权利。
整部影片记录了一起罪案,为了一辆车,或许这是他们的梦想,或许是他们当时太年轻,不知道生命的价值,他们杀了女主人后为了进小区拿车又杀了两个不是很熟的朋友。我虽然非常不赞同死刑,就像Fred说的,'nobody has right to take any life',他们的行为固然可恨,但是我觉得不管他们做了什么,都应该有活下去的权利。
不过最让我接受不了的是Michael Perry在行刑前对死者家属,对那位6年失去了无数亲人的女士说,'I pray you',我觉得要是我是她,我一定会想冲上去打他几巴掌的,杀害了别人的两位家属,却去原谅她,但是我认为Michael好像不认为杀人是多么罪恶的事,他像个小孩一样,完全没有理解明白事情的重要性,一定是从小没人仔细和他说过这些吧。
Jason的爸爸和哥哥同Jason自己一样,都是罪犯,Jason的爸爸认为都是他自己的错,五次被判刑,有了好几个孩子,妻子有些瘫痪,自己都没时间陪陪自己的孩子,非常后悔,他知道自己再也没机会出监狱了,所以他更加不希望因为自己的错,将儿子送向死亡。他在法庭上一直在哭,述说自己在监狱中的感受,最终在他走出那扇门后,他听到两位女士也失声痛哭,然后律师告诉他,'You got him'。
Jason的刑期是40年,而他在监狱中和一个原本为他辩护的女律师相爱了,现在还人工受精有了他们俩的孩子,希望一家三口可以幸福。
总的来说,我不赞成死刑,因为人只能活一次,而死刑犯却要为自己做错的事失去生命,我不是怜悯他们,只是单纯的希望每个人在ta自己的墓碑上,生日与死期之间,写上一段不同的故事。
7/10
这部纪录片的重点是应该如何面对死刑,以命抵命的做法带来的只有虚无,法律以时间和生命的方式原谅罪犯,但人心却很难,而上帝却已经宽恕了所有人。同样的罪行,因为一点仁慈,结果一个生一个死。一部真正的伟大的纪录片,骨子里尽是悲哀,当一位罪犯父亲设想另一种人生,不觉得让人泪下。★★★★★
这记录片里的所有老百姓感觉都像科恩兄弟电影里的演员,长得也像。绝逼神了。哪找一个事儿,攒这么一帮人。
三星半。
赫尔佐格探讨死刑纪录片
推荐两个同题材更好的: 想起了中国的沈阳三八大案纪实纪录片,就是杀害出租车司机抢车犯案的那个,对5个死刑犯的采访。还有基耶洛夫斯基十诫之杀人短片电影版。赫尔佐格与被判处死刑的杀人犯和受害者亲属以及案件相关的各色人士交谈和讨论,探讨了人性极端状况的话题。影片冷酷而阴郁,它逼观众面对这一道德模糊的领域。而从影片的片名也能看出赫尔佐格借此“凝望人类灵魂深渊”的目的。接受过赫尔佐格第一次采访后六个星期,死囚詹姆斯·巴恩斯写信给赫尔佐格,暗示他将再供出自己犯下的两件命案。他后来确实招供。废除死刑是赫尔佐格的想法,可以看到,除了死囚之外,整个死刑执行的相关人员也承受了巨大的压力。
Staring into the abyss, I see nothing but sound and fury.
不加任何情感观点的“纪录”
那辆车一直停在那里。后来,在车厢内长出了一棵树
http://www.56.com/u80/v_Njc0NzU4Mjk.html
看得非常非常震撼。导演提问的方式也很不一样:赫尔佐格果然厉害,他的纪录片,都是真的“记录”,并无塞给观众任何观点。而这本来就是很震动人的话题,死囚的处刑。看过《死囚漫步》仍旧会觉得真人真事太让人叹息。
荷索這次關注死刑,浪漫筆觸細膩的挑起傷痛再輕輕的放下
Herzog did no wrong in my notebook!
谁也无权剥夺他人生存的权利,死亡砸在身体和心灵上的沉重无奈,荷疯再次探索生命中黑暗的极致,当你甘愿被这深渊吸附,你真的回家了。
残忍希望皆为人本 生活在同一片大地上的人对死亡和生命的体悟也惊人一致
不像以往的小赫赫……看完后我更坚定的支持死刑了!因为我们不需要对不尊重他人生命的人给予其生的必要
真是渐入佳境。越往后看感触越深。导演提问的方式很特别,对犯案过程他只问了警长,而对被害人家属还是凶手及其家属,他只问“感觉“,于是就能发现再好的人和再坏的人很多感受都是相通的。 我不知道他对死刑的立场,但是我到最后就完全被这种”相通性“收买了,也开始怀疑死刑的公正性
看了一半看不下去。和赫尔佐格聊天应该很愉快,不过这次的聊天对象实在boring了点
对于某些有罪之来说,死是让他们重新归于平静的最好方式,他们解脱了,但活着的人却永受悲痛与煎熬。(你凝视深渊良久,深渊也会回望你。——尼采)
等价交换~~没有任何理由能抹杀你所做的!对于为己之欲而亡人者原谅是一种奢侈~你能做的只能是补偿及有限的时间里自我审视!!对于那些为其他的呢?为复仇;为保护他人;为了所谓道德与所谓的正义的~我想知道我们要如何区别